God and Jesus

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: luke1232@webtv.net
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:07:59 -0700 (PDT)

That masterpath web site is not in my world. not in my life. In other
words, it`s all greek to me.




http://community.webtv.net/luke1232/ISEEBETTERNOW


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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: Steve Benjamin <snbenjamin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:07:15 -0700


Luke:

That's Ok. Don't worry about it. Jesus was a Light and Sound Master. If
you understood Light and Sound, everything else ties in.

Steve

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Meercat" <jo_meercat@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:26:28 +1000

Hey........ I didn't know Jesus worked in an electrical store!!!!!! :O)

Whatever!

Meercat
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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "The Hermit" <astrall@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:17:41 +1000

> Hey........ I didn't know Jesus worked in an electrical store!!!!!! :O)
>
> Whatever!
>
> Meercat

I thought he was a carpenter. Where did you get this info, Steve?



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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: Steve Benjamin <snbenjamin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:37:10 -0700


Walter:

My path (MasterPath) is a Light and Sound path. Christ was one of the
Light and Sound Masters as were many other Master's over time. Did you
know that George Washington and Abe lincoln were Light and Sound
Masters?
(Kinda' explains things, doesn't it?) This is from the Light and Sound
teachings that have been handed down through the ages. Not many know
about them. Not many are called. There is only one true Light and
Sound Master in the United States - via MasterPath.

Luke's questions can be answered through the Light and Sound teachings.
That isn't important. Only that the answer lies there and might one
resonate with the teachings. The mental gymnastics are irrelevant.

Baraka bashad.

Steve

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Kiwiislander" <kiwiislander@inet.net.nz>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:43:46 +1200

Hi Steve

These Light and Sound teachings sound intriguing.

Can you expound a little more on this topic for me and anyone else who may
be interested please.

--


Cheers

I'm Outa here!!

Mike

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: Steve Benjamin <snbenjamin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:51:03 -0700


Mike:

Go to the MasterPath web site and just see if you resonate with it.
That's all I suggest.

http://masterpath.org

All current teachings are considered Light teachings as they develop the
mind. The Sound current awakens the Soul. Only a Sat Guru (A living
Light and Sound Master) can awaken the Sound within you. This is not
Sound that you hear with your ears. It is sound which is heard from
your inner ear - on the inner planes. A Sound which you might sense, not
hear. They claim that only through the Sound current can you advance
beyond Self realization and achieve what is known as Spiritual
realization and God realization.

By the way, there are several Light and Sound Masters currently on the
planet. Just one true Sat Guru in the US. (claims MasterPath, anyway)
There are others in other countries.

Mike, have you heard of the Kundaliini? Well, my Kundaliini rose about
10 years ago and it was a very powerful experience. I developed magical
healing powers. I am sure that many have heard about this powerful
force. My experience with the Sound current just blows away anything
the Kundaliini can offer. There is just no comparison.

Many blessings and baraka bashad.

Steve

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Kiwiislander" <kiwiislander@inet.net.nz>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:36:20 +1200

Steve

> Mike, have you heard of the Kundaliini? Well, my Kundaliini rose about
> 10 years ago and it was a very powerful experience. I developed magical
> healing powers. I am sure that many have heard about this powerful
> force. My experience with the Sound current just blows away anything
> the Kundaliini can offer. There is just no comparison.

I have heard of, and been interested in this Kundalini force for some time
now. It relates to the physical through the chakras I believe. I really
don't know exactly what it means. I have heard of the phenomenon of
Kundalini Rising before, and I understand it is supposed to be an awesome
experience for the person who experiences it. Something to do with
meditating and visualising an unbroken column of white light rising up
through the chakras simultaneously right up through the chakra at the top of
the head (pineal gland?). The seven (main) chakras relate to glandular
activity in the body and are an outlet for karmic forces to operate? Is
this correct?
Just things I have read without getting too deep into it.

Thanks for the website URL, I intend to check it out.
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Cheers

I'm Outa here!!

Mike

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: Steve Benjamin <snbenjamin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:41:05 -0700


Mike:

You have the gist of it. The Kundaliini is a powerful motor current.

The Sound current does so much more.

Steve


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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Linda and Steve" <sabre@effect.net.au>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:23:32 +1000

Steve a couple of questions,
What makes a Guru a Guru or a Master a Master? Who is it that decree's what
they are? and Did you train with a Master in the sound current, or did you
read and explore yourself?
Linda x

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: Steve Benjamin <snbenjamin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:35:36 -0700


Linda (and Steve (Tee Hee)):

Okay - there are TONS of Guru's and Master's out there. Just about all
deal with "Light" - which expands the mind. A Sat Guru (note the
distinction) deals with "Sound" and is ordained before they come down
into a body. Only a Sat Guru can enliven the Sound current within you
and work with you on the inner planes. A Sat Guru guides you through
all the inner planes. All those other Guru's work with your mind and
outer physical stuff. Now, I am not putting them down. There is a great
need for anyone who engages in spiritual development. If you want the
highest available, a Sat Guru is the ticket. Plus, working on the inner
planes, is a shortcut to Self realization, and beyond. Now, to add to
the confusion - there are Guru's who claim to be Sound Masters and who
say they too can enliven the Sound. There is only ONE in the US (sorry
all you Ectkankar (Did I spell this right?) folks) claims MasterPath.
(There is a place for that path too).

How do you find it? It finds you. You don't search the world. When it
is your time, it will come to you. Just examine it. If you resonate
with it, look deeper. If you don't, then it isn't your path now or in
this lifetime.

Many blessings and baraka bashad.

Steve

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Lynx (wsl)" <tsunami1@dingoblue.net.au>
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:18:17 +1000

Hi Steve!

SAT NAM

In Truth
Lynx
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The Only Failure in Life is the Failure to Fight
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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: luke1232@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:34:44 -0700 (PDT)

Are you saying that we have to have a teacher instead of doing it
ourselves?


http://community.webtv.net/luke1232/ISEEBETTERNOW


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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: The Hermit <astrall@tpg.com.au>
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 01:47:38 +1000

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:34:44 -0700 (PDT), luke1232@webtv.net wrote:

>Are you saying that we have to have a teacher instead of doing it
>ourselves?
>
>
>http://community.webtv.net/luke1232/ISEEBETTERNOW

It's get Steve day!!!!!

Hermit
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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "The Hermit" <astrall@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:03:33 +1000


"Kiwiislander" <kiwiislander@inet.net.nz> wrote in message
news:970191764.34848@kyle.inet.net.nz...
> Hi Steve
>
> These Light and Sound teachings sound intriguing.
>
> Can you expound a little more on this topic for me and anyone else who may
> be interested please.
>

Mike
Have you read the book Gods of Eden? It's all about the ancient usage of
sound. I read about half the book and got bored. But you might find it
interesting.

Hermit

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Kiwiislander" <kiwiislander@inet.net.nz>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:54:52 +1300

Thanks for the book title Hermit. I just checked the online records for the
public library here in Christchurch but it looks like they don't have this
title currently. If anyone wants to loan me a copy that would be great
hahaha.

--
Cheers

Time to cut a track !

Mike the kiwi

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: Steve Benjamin <snbenjamin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:21:50 -0700


Make sure it is the right "Sound". It ISN't the one you can hear.

I'd be glad to send either or both of you a copy of the book "From Light
to Sound"

Just give me (you can email them) your addresses and I'll send it to
you.

Steve
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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: The Hermit <astrall@tpg.com.au>
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 01:47:34 +1000

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:37:10 -0700, Steve Benjamin
<snbenjamin@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>
>Walter:
>
>My path (MasterPath) is a Light and Sound path. Christ was one of the
>Light and Sound Masters as were many other Master's over time. Did you
>know that George Washington and Abe lincoln were Light and Sound
>Masters?

I know Steve, I know your path. i was only joking. It was the Meercat
that mistook you. :-))) same with Jesus...it is stated that he was the
son of a carpenter, not that he himself was a carpenter; this is only
church misconception, as usual. The word 'carpenter' itself is not
used, just translated as such; the original referred to the 'Craft'
and he was known as a 'craftsman', in other words he was a Master of
the Craft, and behind this term you can place many interpretations. A
witch also practices the craft - and I'm beginning to wonder whether
freespirit Dave doesn't also with his big stirring spoon.

America has a strong history in occult influence. Their dollar note
amplifies this fact. Old George, for instance, had his battle plans
drawn out through supernatural intervention. Old Abe was latter reborn
as John Kennedy, a long with many others that served with him in
parliament, including his assassin. After all, you got your backside
seated right in the midst of the 'Promised Land.' Britain (sons of the
Covenant) had it first, as it is written: the greater must serve the
lesser. But one day too, America must fall.

>(Kinda' explains things, doesn't it?) This is from the Light and Sound
>teachings that have been handed down through the ages. Not many know
>about them. Not many are called. There is only one true Light and
>Sound Master in the United States - via MasterPath.

There are many explanations, Steve, just as there are many paths.
There is much knowledge that has come down to us throughout the
centuries, your 'craft' is only one aspect. My craft is only one
aspect of the ultimate wisdom. We all specialize in particular aspects
within that craft. The most important thing is that you are happy and
contented with the path you are on.

There is also only one Hermit in Australia. We all are unique
personalities with our own unique spiritual frequency which is as
distinct as an individual fingerprint. This frequency distinguishes
who we are and is the true name of our spirit. By this frequency we
know each other, life after life. Only a small part of this
personality emanates through our present personas. One day we will
realize that we are our own Masters, our own deciders of destiny, and
we are only 1. 10th conscious of who and what we really are. The
Master, our true Self, has only projected one small part of its
consciousness. Remember we are Divine spirits...a force that yet
defies all conception. So put that in your sound pipe and smoke it. I
am curious though, Steve, what manner of sound do you actually hear.
Does it sound like a vacuum cleaner, or a whirring sound of a motor?
This is a serious question.

>Luke's questions can be answered through the Light and Sound teachings.
>That isn't important. Only that the answer lies there and might one
>resonate with the teachings. The mental gymnastics are irrelevant.

In the same manner can Luke find the answers that lie within himself.
All the wisdom that he seeks is there. He is passionate in what he has
found, and that may well be the Master Key. There are those who are
satisfied with dangling their feet in shallow water, others like to
swim, others like to dive. It all comes down to what you are ready for
and what you are comfortable with.

I hope you are treating your Master with respect as it is deserving
of. The people in my circle treat me with utter disrespect, especially
the women. Always making fun of me or stirring me. In no way
whatsoever do I bring this on myself. And on top of that they still
expect me to make them tea. Utterly disrespectful! I want to be the
rooster among the hens and they only laugh. Disgraceful!

>Baraka bashad.

What does this expression of yours mean, or are you writing in
tongues?

Walter

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: Steve Benjamin <snbenjamin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:07:31 -0700


Walter:

I agree with you. Everyone is where he/they are to be.

Baraka bashad means many blessings in Sanskrit. (I think). Our Master
always ends the seminars and satsangs with that expression.

Many blessings and Baraka Bashad to you and all those in the NG.

Steve




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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: Steve Benjamin <snbenjamin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:15:45 -0700


Walter:

As far as the Sound current goes, it is hard to describe. I would say
it is more felt or sensed. It isn't heard by the ears at all. As you
advance on the path, you can "hear" it as you tune to the inner planes.
That's about as best as I could describe it.

Baraka bashad.

Steve


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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: The Hermit <astrall@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:01:44 +1000

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:15:45 -0700, Steve Benjamin
<snbenjamin@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>
>Walter:
>
>As far as the Sound current goes, it is hard to describe. I would say
>it is more felt or sensed. It isn't heard by the ears at all. As you
>advance on the path, you can "hear" it as you tune to the inner planes.
>That's about as best as I could describe it.
>
>Baraka bashad.
>
>Steve

Steve.
I liked it when you described the Kundaliini as a motor drive
force...as that's exactly what it sounds like, and besides other
sounds and sensations. Granted, these sounds are not heard via the
physical hearing, although they are heard while fully conscious, just
prior to spiritual lift-off. The whirring sound of the Kundaliini
sounds like a motor starting up. The first time I heard it in bed I
thought...what the @#&&@@...and was tempted to lift the blankets to
see where the damn motor...but I didn't, as I'm quite aware and
expecting of these sounds. There is another fun sound like a vacuum
cleaner starting followed by very powerful sucking sensations, like
your being sucked out of the body. I always precaution people about
these sounds just in case they are likely to experience these sounds.
They are by no means quiet or gentle and give the illusion of being
very physical, though they are not, and no body else in the house, or
in bed with you, will have the slightest clue on what is happening.
There you are, one hell of a ruckus going around you, the bed jumping
up and down and you trying desperately not to get sucked up yet,
everything around you is serine and quiet that you could hear a
feather drop in the still of the night.

In my inquiries about this I have not yet encountered many people,
especially those who astral travel, who can relate to these sounds and
sensations, except for a ten year old girl who is experiencing these
same things, the daughter of a friend, living not far from me. The
girl is very psychic and able to see spirits, though the vacuum
cleaner really scared her, until I explained it to her. She can sleep
in peace now knowing that no one is trying to sweep her up or beam her
up Scotie. Naturally, I would be interested in hearing from any who
can relate to this.

Naturally I now take advantage of these sounds and sensations as a
prelude to experience. One time when the motor started up I quickly
decided to jump out of the body but got only a few feet out and was
pulled back in. So I tried again and didn't even hit the floor until I
was pulled back in. Before I had the chance to finish the exclamation:
what the....a movie screen activated before my eyes and I was either
seeing the future or seeing life on another planet. So in this
instance it was not a prelude to spiritual flight but clairvoyance,
the Akashic Record, or whatever. Though I, physically, could make no
sense of what I was seeing, I was obviously meant to see it, and
someone, somewhere made sure that I did...I could have gone to the
Bahamas you know.

Now, I don't think these sounds and sensations as anything in
particular and see them only as natural phenomena. If we are to
consider inner planes then it may be advantages to understand them as
waves of frquency....just like the ripples produced when you throw a
stone into a calm pool of water. This is the nature of the 'Big Bang'
theory. Each ripple is at a different frequency, just like our radio
waves or light waves. We can regard them as higher, lower, faster or
slower. The ancient mystics referred to the frequencies nearer the
point of impact as the higher planes in an attempt to explain their
investigations. They didn't do too bad a job.

When we meditate, what are we actually trying to achieve? What is our
objective? Is our meditation based around relaxational purposes or are
we trying to tune into the spiritual realm, or transcendental
meditation? Seeing I'm relaxed enough I usually try to tune into
another plane of consciousness. I know I can do this simply by
increasing my natural frequency, which is in harmony with my physical
surroundings, more in harmony with the frequency I'm trying to blend
in with. If I want to blend in with the astral plane, or any of its
sub planes, each vibrating at different frequency, I would need to
raise my frequency in harmony with that particular plane. The highest
plane I am able to reach is dependant on my level of evolutionary
progression. Each plane, ripple, or state of awareness, and their
relevant sub planes, are comprised by their own individual and unique
frequencies of light and sound, and etc. Each having a different
unique impact upon the spirit, soul, spiritual consciousness, or
whatever you wish to call this unique personality, or ego, which is
you.

People usually believe there is only one Chakra System, but there are
systems within systems. The spinning of each wheel produces its own
frequency of sound and light, for instance color. Take the syllable
'OM', for instance, this has a particular effect, not only within your
spiritual self, but also the atmosphere around you. It evokes and
summons the great force of the mother and father, feminine and
masculine frequencies into the room. Both will serve their individual
purposes. The mother, is the great soother, the comforter and
compassion, and the father, well, all muscle no brains, comes to
protect and depart wisdom, etc. Providing, of course, it's pronounced
properly. The 'O' should sound like broom or moon, minus the b or m,
whereas the 'M' should trail off as the ending vibration. If siting in
a circle each sitter should begin the utterance before the last sitter
has completed the trailing 'M', which should sound like hmmm. You must
expand the syllable over at least 10 seconds....oooooooommmmmmmm.
If this doesn't immediately stimulate the atmosphere then you're not
doing it right. The usual psychic wind should be quite cold from your
feet to the knees.

Music, especially songs, also can have an impact upon the Chakras,
depending on your sensitivity towards a particular song and the words
the song contains. Certain words have a subconscious effect upon you,
perhaps the result of a past experience to which the subconscious is
sentimentally drawn. Currently our starting music is called 'Dreams of
Discovery' and our healing music is 'Amazing Grace', though I'm still
searching for a better artist who will produce the desired effect.
'Silent Night', for instance, was deliberately designed to stimulate
the spiritual awareness in all who are perceptive of it. It virtually
produces the same frequency in most languages. And guess who wrote it?
I never said it was me.

End of lecture.

Hermit

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Lynx (wsl)" <tsunami1@dingoblue.net.au>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:52:03 +1000

Yes!!

I can relate to and know sounds that i experience that i can liken to the
ones you describe. Bizarre. I have not really heard anything said about
them before.
Most interesting.
Another sound i also experience either when meditating or sometimes just
dropping off to sleep when i am in that "nether" state is like a hard, very
loud, crisp BANG.
Any ideas what that is....have you experienced it yourself.? I have a
couple of theories but that is all.

In Truth
Lynx
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The Only Failure in Life is the Failure to Fight
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*


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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "The Hermit" <astrall@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:28:23 +1000


"Lynx (wsl)" <tsunami1@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
news:39d85c00$0$26529$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...
> Yes!!
>
> I can relate to and know sounds that i experience that i can liken to the
> ones you describe. Bizarre. I have not really heard anything said about
> them before.
> Most interesting.

I can't explain why some people hear these sounds and others don't. I
believe we all experience them prior to phenonama, just that most unaware of
it. I do not believe it has anything to do with level of attaiment, or to a
chosen few, as Steve in someway suggests. I aslo believe that we are not
chosen to be illumined, but must choose to be illumined. I can hear you
already, 'Yeah but I didn't ask for it...it just happened.' My answer to
that is that you did choose, many many life times ago, it's just an
inheritence of prior commitment. What we learn spiritually in this life,
will find us again in the next..each life is a stepping stone to the next.
This is how we continue our spiritual evolution. The spirituality that you
attain, you will never lose, remain stalemate, yes, but never lose. And I
don't agree with your conception of healing either. But we discussed that
before. Hey, I'm responding to Lynx....get out of this discussion.

> Another sound i also experience either when meditating or sometimes just
> dropping off to sleep when i am in that "nether" state is like a hard,
very
> loud, crisp BANG.

I experienced that only once, while I was seriously ill in hospital. I heard
that great bang which followed imediately with utter peace and sudden
absence of all pain. I thought I cooked my goose but woke up the next
morning, back with the pain.

> Any ideas what that is....have you experienced it yourself.? I have a
> couple of theories but that is all.

I wouldn't mind hearing those theories as I don't have any particular
explanation.

Hermit

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Linda and Steve" <sabre@effect.net.au>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:48:08 +1000

Lynx and Hermit, Regarding big bangs!!
I am so tempted to say........(no I am going to be good!)
I too have heard these loud noises, and for a while they would precede
something happening, one of the kids was sick or the phone would ring. It
then moved to my name being called in the middle of the night, now that is a
spooky thing. After this happened my clairvoyance was so heightened, it was
amazing, sight, smells and (DOLBY) surround sound!! The bangs have stopped
(I am biting my lip here trying to stop a smart arse comment!), but it has
left me with a gift. So maybe it is a kind of attunement??
Linda xx

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Lynx (wsl)" <tsunami1@dingoblue.net.au>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:25:22 +1000

Linda!!!

Yes Yes Yesss!!
(sorry, i couldn't resist! :O) )

mmm....actually that has happened to me too! the hearing my name called.
A few times come to think of it....which i hadn't until I read your post.
mmmmm.....i shall sit back and ponder for a bit with my cuppa and get back
to you.

In Truth
Lynx
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The Only Failure in Life is the Failure to Fight
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Linda and Steve" <sabre@effect.net.au>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:18:18 +1000

Something in your cereal perhaps Lynx???
I want what your having!
Linda xx

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Subject: Re: God and Jesus (Steve)
From: "Lynx (wsl)" <tsunami1@dingoblue.net.au>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:52:43 +1000

ROFL...